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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Dream Office Real Estate Investment Trust T.D.UN

Alternate Symbol(s):  DRETF

Dream Office Real Estate Investment Trust (the Trust) is an open-ended real estate investment trust. The Trust owns central business district office properties in various urban centers across Canada, with a focus on downtown Toronto. The Trust owns and manages 3.5 million square feet of office land in downtown Toronto. Its objectives include managing its business and assets to provide both... see more

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Post by MTLfinecity on Sep 10, 2023 12:46pm

valuation model

NOI 110M 
asset value : 
cap rate of 8=1375M
cap rate of 7=1571M
cap rate of  9=1222M
cap rate of 6= 1833M
cap rate of 4.5=2444M
 
total debt 1300M 
 
number of DIR units: 13,539,307.  =185M market cap 
total number of units 37,857,031 = 443M market cap (11.7/share) 
 
Trading price: 
if cap rate of 7 : 271+185=456M   (12.04$/share) 
if cap rate of 6 : 533+185=718M  (19$ per share) 
if cap rate of 4.5: 2444-1300+185=1285M (34$ per share) 
Comment by SNAKEYBOY on Sep 10, 2023 12:56pm
So what I'm hearing is their nav is 100% fake and we're worth about 12 bucks.  Well cr@p. 
Comment by MTLfinecity on Sep 10, 2023 1:06pm
Both the management and the public market are right.  In the short run, the cap rate could indeed be 7% or more IF a private transaction occurs.  However, in the long run, premium Toronto office buildings deserve a 5% cap rate+ density potential.   It's all about interest rate my friend and weather buying an office building makes business sense in the current environment  ...more  
Comment by colombuss on Sep 10, 2023 1:51pm
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Comment by MTLfinecity on Sep 10, 2023 2:13pm
Good comments, and I can feel your bullishness.  I agree with you on your comments on my valuation and the future potential on some assets. However, as a conservative investor, I tend to write off anything that is not generating cashflow at the moment. I perfer to not factor in any upside from development and future density. Actually, a cap rate of 4.5%-5% incorporate some of the non cash ...more  
Comment by Frankie10 on Sep 10, 2023 4:37pm
You can't explain away error and call it being conservative... you can't just value the assets at $0 to be conservative. they spent money and that investment has value.  "The real problem for me here is the interest rate and the cap rate." - debt is fixed and the entity is well capitalized to refinance and sell assets (inv properties and/or DIR) - implied cap rate is 8.7%. ...more  
Comment by MTLfinecity on Sep 10, 2023 5:19pm
Hi Frankie, I appreciate your thoughts. Let me explain why I made those mistakes. I understand very well why you use stabilized noi for valuation and put what seems to be a reasonable valuation on future density . You are computing liquidation value. And I respect that. However, in my many years of investing experience, this valuation model never gave the valuation below which the stock simply ...more  
Comment by Frankie10 on Sep 10, 2023 6:12pm
the model assumes going concern, therefore the valuation method is adjusted cost base and not liquidation approach. I think you mean to say, my model calculated implied current valuation and you run a proforma to assess downside risk. Nothing wrong with that at all... The asset values per the financials are actually calculated used discount cash flow basis - there are many REITs that provide ...more  
Comment by Frankie10 on Sep 10, 2023 4:31pm
Incredibly well written. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Comment by Frankie10 on Sep 10, 2023 4:16pm
With D @ $11.8 and DIR @ 13.65 - implied cap is 8.68% (based on stabalized NOI)
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