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Suncor Energy Inc. is a Canada-based integrated energy company. The Company's segments include Oil Sands, Exploration and Production (E&P), and Refining and Marketing. Its operations include oil sands development, production and upgrading, offshore oil and gas production, petroleum refining in Canada and the United States and its Petro-Canada retail and wholesale distribution networks... see more

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Suncor Energy Inc > Race to the Bottom
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Post by Experienced on Feb 15, 2024 10:28am

Race to the Bottom

Well the numbers are now in for 2023.

Germany has taken over from Japan as the 3rd largest economy in the world.

So is this good news for Germany?

Well I guess so.  But the kicker is that the reason they overtook Japan was that their economy didn't shrink as much as it did in Japan.  Not exactly the way you would like to move up in the rankings IMO.  It's a bit like a team getting into the playoffs because the other team choked as opposed to winning it outright.

Some indicators suggest that Canada is also in a recession.  France grew by .1% in 2023.  China is still growing but at half the rate ir was a few years ago and that assumes that you actually believe the numbers coming out of China.

Meanwhile, the US stock market is at an all-time high.  Investor sentiment is in the Excessive Greed category.  The US Government is running an annual budgetary deficit of 2 trillion and according to the CBO it will rise to 3 trillion in a few years based on current Government approved spending.  So this number could grow with new spending plans or a recession/slower growth than in the base case assumptionsor some combo of both.

On the consumer side which is 60-70% of the US economy, credit card debt is at an all-time high and growing.

With that as background, up to you to decide what your asset allocation should be but as the opening line in the old show "The Hill Street Blues" says - "Be careful out there".
Comment by Torontojay on Feb 15, 2024 12:05pm
Hi experienced.  Yes, Canada is in a recession and others will soon follow. Japans there, Europe is pretty much there and China is deflating as we speak.  The US is painting a great big lie with the stock market being dominated by just a handful of companies. Did you know that if you removed the magnificent 7 from the S&P 500 then the S&P 493 would have declined y/y.  ...more  
Comment by Experienced on Feb 15, 2024 1:43pm
Yes Jay...very true There are many more example of stock market peaks prior to a downturn. The Grandaddy of them all of course is 1929. Some here discount my warnings especially as the market continues to rise.  How many times have you walked to work and it was sunny, only to wish you had brought your umbrella on walk back home? That said, it is possible through sensible asset allocation ...more  
Comment by liljohnnyjoke on Feb 16, 2024 8:40am
The US market is at all time highs ONLY because of the run up in the Mag7 stocks since October. those 7 account for 25% of the Dow/S&P. So they mislead that the economy is fantastic.
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