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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Western Copper and Gold Corp T.WRN

Alternate Symbol(s):  WRN

Western Copper and Gold Corporation is a Canada-based mining company. The Company is engaged in developing the Casino Project. The Casino Project is a copper-gold mining project in Yukon, Canada. The Casino porphyry copper-gold-molybdenum deposit is located in west central Yukon, in the northwest trending Dawson Range mountains, approximately 300 kilometers (km) northwest of the territorial... see more

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Western Copper and Gold Corp > Rio/Glencore deal likely off
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Post by EvenSteven27 on Jan 17, 2025 9:45am

Rio/Glencore deal likely off

A deal aimed at capturing a bigger slice of the metals market, the proposed $160 billion merger of Rio Tinto and Glencore, appears doomed to fail, just as last year’s $50 billion attempt by BHP to acquire Anglo American also failed.
 
While not officially confirmed by either Glencore or Rio Tinto the potential deal has sparked financial market speculation but little investor support.

Unveiled during the trading hours of the Australian stock exchange where Rio Tinto is listed (along with London) the share price of the world’s second biggest miner slipped 0.7% lower to A$118.74.

Glencore is not listed in Australia with investors waiting for London trading to pass judgement which is not expected to be positive.
 
Like the move by BHP, the world’s biggest miner on Anglo American, a South African corporate hero, the obstacles of a Rio Tinto/Glencore deal are high and certain to spark endless government inquiries if proceeded with.
 
China, in particular, is certain to be wary of two major copper producers merging given the heavy dependence of its giant manufacturing sector on that metal.
 
Other countries with an interest in energy transition, where copper is in high demand thanks to its electrical conductivity, would also look closely at a Rio Tinto/Glencore merger which would create a business controlling 7% of the global copper market.
 
First report of Glencore and Rio Tinto exploring a merger was carried earlier today in a Bloomberg story and appear to be based on discussions held around the middle of last year, just after Anglo American officially rebuffed BHP’s overtures, but before a trigger date for a possible revival was reached late last year.

 
Comment by EvenSteven27 on Jan 17, 2025 9:51am
This may actually be good news for WRN. Rio may have had eyes on a South American asset which could have diverted attention. Now, Rio, MMC, and WRN can focus on business at hand. Not sure why Sandeep is so mum. I contacted him several days ago and he usually gets back within hours. Not sure the reason for lack of communication right now. 
Comment by jclarke042 on Jan 17, 2025 11:28am
Conference season, my man. Gotta see & be seen, this morphing into a lifestyle company, after all.
Comment by Sooner on Jan 17, 2025 4:18pm
Steve - similar for me....no response from Sandeep. On the positive side i suppose...as painful as his is for us...it's multiples of pain for him. His orignal buy in of $2.2M i think went up to about $3.5M and now right back down to about same point.
Comment by EvenSteven27 on Jan 17, 2025 6:31pm
I just got word from Sandeep. Without getting into particulars, he felt someone was selling off which brought the share price down. He feels once the selling ends, we'll go up again. He also stated that things are progressing well with the partners and submission.  To be honest, I was nervous at the beginning of the week. I'm a little more settled now. Will hold strong. 
Comment by Pinegrove1 on Jan 17, 2025 9:33pm
Thanks for the update, appreciated 
Comment by Sooner on Jan 18, 2025 1:42pm
I hope you got more than "someone selling" as the current issue driving share price down.  even meathead would know that...
Comment by EvenSteven27 on Jan 18, 2025 6:31pm
I'm just sharing the message which was given to me. Personally, I believe there is a lot more going on, such as further dilution by having the board issued more stock options, political uncertainties on almost every level, not really knowing how negotiations are getting along with our partners, and just plain tired of waiting. In short, a lot of uncertainty. I think clarity on every level is ...more  
Comment by Patriarch on Jan 18, 2025 9:38pm
Kinda silly for him to say someone selling off. That's obvious.  The real issue is why.  Did he afford an answer to same? 
Comment by StandingOwl on Jan 19, 2025 1:03pm
I am perplexed. Since the 1st of the year, CU is up 6%, Au is up 4%, USD. WRN is DOWN 4%. Our answer is "someone has sold off". When is "someone going to buy"?  If we are a hot commodity, Canada's largest world class, or significant mine, necessary for electrification of the world's infrastructure, shouldn't we be doing better? At LEAST going sideways, instead ...more  
Comment by Sooner on Jan 19, 2025 6:55pm
Owl- feedback I got from Sandeep was basically acknowledging the shareholders weakness but optimistic in the long term that this shareholder churn into stronger hands will lead share price to multiples higher than current level. My response to him -  Thanks Sandeep. Unfortunately, I think many investors still have zero confidence Casino will ever get permitted based upon Victoria, Minto ...more  
Comment by Pinegrove1 on Jan 19, 2025 7:59pm
Honestly l'm getting tired of hearing how in the "long term", everything will be rosey and big multiples will be had. Recent comments from Sandeep suggest a) someone is selling off and things will be good once they are done and b) as the last post says, once weak hands convert to strong hands all will be good. How about instead we just move this thing through permitting quickly and ...more  
Comment by Sooner on Jan 19, 2025 9:04pm
Pine - what if regulators say "we ain't permitting this monster until we know who is going to be the major operator". what would u say then? I think that is actually a totally reasonable potential to be honest with as much failures as we've soon in Yukon. 
Comment by Pinegrove1 on Jan 19, 2025 9:51pm
Sooner, I'd be OK with that and I can see why somewhere in the permitting process the operator should be known. I also think it makes sense that the ultimate operator either has input or actually submits the applications as it could differ from WRN's submission thereby saving alterations after the fact with resultant time delays.  I also believe that a permit submission from someone ...more  
Comment by Sooner on Jan 19, 2025 10:10pm
My opinion...if I was regulator or FN or citizen of Yukon...I'd say yes.  I'm of the opinion if I were any of those 3 with vested input on this...I wouldn't approve any permitting unless I know who the operator will be. Alternatively, I would make permit contingent on only operator allowed would be Rio, BHP, Etc or any other major that has at least a market cap of X billion ...more  
Comment by Sooner on Jan 19, 2025 10:13pm
So my opinion...why even go down permitting unless we have had those discussions to gain clarity on this from regulators. Just think we spend millions to go down permitting and the outcome is " sorry we can't approve unless we know will operate"....
Comment by Pinegrove1 on Jan 19, 2025 10:52pm
I don't know if they can say that out loud. They may want that and jam up the permitting because of it but I don't know if they can make that a condition. I would hope that WRN is working through the process with a bona fide commitment to seeing it through to shovel ready with or without a major. Otherwise we as shareholders have been duped or perhaps they are bluffing with the plan being ...more  
Comment by Birdog11 on Jan 20, 2025 11:25am
So it's a vicious circle:  They need an operator to issue the permit,  but an operator doesn't buy if there is no permit? Endless story....
Comment by Sooner on Jan 20, 2025 11:46am
I might be totally off base...I'm just saying if I was making the decision as a regulator and prior failures with the operators in Yukon...I ain't given approval until I know who will operate!!!! 
Comment by Asdfghjk on Jan 20, 2025 2:39pm
I would think this would factor in heavily given what has happened up there.