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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum FLYHT Aerospace Solutions Ltd V.FLY

Alternate Symbol(s):  FLYLF

FLYHT Aerospace Solutions Ltd. provides solutions for the aviation industry. The Company's aircraft certified hardware products include Automated Flight Information Reporting System (AFIRS), AFIRS Edge, Tropospheric Airborne Meteorological Data Reporting (TAMDAR) and FLYHT-WVSS-II. AFIRS is an aircraft satcom/interface device, which enables cockpit voice communications, real-time aircraft state... see more

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FLYHT Aerospace Solutions Ltd > A hill to climb
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Post by CF105 on Nov 16, 2022 12:58pm

A hill to climb

In doing some post-Q3 report analysis, I noticed the great discrepancy between what KRC Insights predicted as hardware sales for Q3 and the actual hardware sales reported.
 
KRC had predicted $2,582,000 in hardware sales in Q3 on this premise...  “Our increased forecasts are driven by a stronger than anticipated recovery in international travel (as reflected in the Q2/22 results), combined with the expectation that FLYHT will land certain large orders currently in its order book for the AFIRS 228.” (The Edge is not expected to have an impact until 2023.)
 
Actual hardware sales reported for Q3 by Flyht were just $480,064 – a shortfall of more than $2.1 million from KRC’s prediction.
 
In the sum of the other three revenue categories, Flyht exceeded KRC’s predictions by about $500k.
 
Reflecting on KRC’s comments, sales from the “certain large orders” must have either not materialized as yet or have not fully moved through the accounting to arrive as hard numbers in the hardware revenue column. (Deposits are an example.)
 
I thought one of these large orders could be the WVSS-II order pending with the U.K. Meteorological Office. These installations have been delayed according to Bill Tempany. “We were going to be doing the installation with Loganair and then Loganair got put up for sale and stopped all those programs. So we are going to meet with U.K. Met. and figure out a way forward. So standby on that one, it’s a work in progress.”
 
Another of these slow-to-be-realized large orders may be the anticipated hardware sales to Comac for installation on the ARJ21 and C919. BT: “their production has not ramped up to the point that they had hoped it would be”.

The agreement with Comac is likely different than the one with L3H/Airbus. Flyht may be delivering complete hardware kits to Comac instead of just the supplemental hardware I believe Flyht sells to L3H to go with licenses to build the actual AFIRS 228s for their clients themselves. If this is so, sales to Comac will wind up in the hardware column instead of mostly in the licensing column.
 
WestJet taking delivery of more of the SatCOM hardware it has ordered could be a third hardware sales source referenced by KRC, and the order from Frontier for SatCOM hardware for its near-term deliveries of A320 and A321 aircraft could be a fourth.
 
A fifth large hardware sales item not being delivered as yet might be the eventual product result from the collaboration with MBS to come up with a secure data loading system. I think it is to have the Edge at its core, so there shouldn’t have been any hardware revenue expected from this until 2023 – still, there might have been sales and deposits.
 
The partnership with Westjet-owned Swoop Airlines to reduce emissions related to APUs (Auxiliary Power Units) is likely to be a software offering that piggybacks on Flyht’s AFIRS hardware capabilities, which should mean hardware sales to clients who do not yet have AFIRS hardware. Trials funded by a grant are underway with no reported results or actual known sales as yet.
 
KRC Insights might have thought Flyht would see some revenue from any or all of these in Q3. If Flyht had made the additional $2.1M in hardware sales that KRC predicted, there could have been perhaps another million or more in reportable profit in Q3.
 
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Forecast sales and income by KRC, with actuals for Q1 and Q2…    
             
KRC report, 08-22 Q1 2022 Q2 2022 Q3 2022 Q4 2022 2022E  
(projections in blue)            
             
SaaS 1,675,072 2,155,912 2,349,000 2,554,000 8,733,984  
Hardware 2,109,598 912,682 2,582,000 3,240,000 8,844,280  
Licensing 1,134,706 1,399,903 3,000,000 2,950,000 8,484,609  
Technical Services 111,281 412,875 400,000     276,000 1,200,156  
             
Sum of sales 5,030,657 4,881,372 8,331,000 9,020,000 27,263,029  
             
Net income (1,284,000) (1,141,000) 995,000 1,491,000 61,000  
             
             
Year-to-date sales and net income numbers...        
             
Actual, Q3 in hand Q1 2022 Q2 2022 Q3 2022 Q4 2022 2022E  
(projections in blue)            
             
SaaS 1,675,072 2,155,912 2,073,284   5,904,268  (to Sep. 30)
Hardware 2,109,598 912,682 480,064   3,502,344  (to Sep. 30)
Licensing 1,134,706 1,399,903 3,536,153 2,603,944 8,674,706  (to Sep. 30)
Technical Services 111,281 412,875 635,872   1,160,028  (to Sep. 30)
             
Sum of sales 5,030,657 4,881,372 6,725,373   19,241,346  (to Nov. 10)
             
Net income (1,284,000) (1,141,000) 703,765   (1,721,235)  (to Sep. 30)
             


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With $16.6M revenue in-hand already through three quarters, Flyht should easily surpass $20 million in sales in 2022.
 
The balance of license revenue for 2022 is known to be approximately $2.6M – the difference between the value of the order announced in the spring and what was delivered and paid for in Q2 and Q3. This alone brings Flyht very close to $20M.
 
$1M in CrossConsense revenue, considered very reliable and regular, would put Flyht revenue over the $20M threshold. Primarily SaaS, there should eventually be hardware sales through CrossConsense as they introduce Flyht products into their sales offerings. With perhaps another $1M in SaaS from Flyht itself, Flyht would reach $21M on the year.
 
Revenue from technical services has been on the rise, $0.5M is just a guess, bringing the year end total to $16.6M + $2.6M + $2.0M + $0.5M or $21.7M – without anything included for hardware sales in Q4. Flyht's highest revenue in any year to date was the $21,171,159 reported in 2019.
 
I think at one point there was a management estimate of $24M in total revenue for 2022. KRC’s prediction in August for 2022 was for sales in this year to reach $27M. KRC’s estimate seems high at this late date, though not, I suppose, unattainable.
 
Management’s estimate of $24M in annual sales would be a reach based on having made only $3,502,344 in hardware sales year to date.  Flyht would need hardware sales of $2.3M in Q4 – about double the average of the three completed quarters - to reach $24M in total revenue this year. 
 
With reported losses of $1.284M in Q1 and $1.141M in Q2 to go with the reported profit of $703,765 for Q3, Flyht has a hill to climb to report profitability for 2022 overall. Management has expressed that Flyht will be EBITDA positive going forward, though, so profit of some kind is expected in Q4, and for 2023E.
Comment by RayDonovan78 on Nov 16, 2022 2:32pm
What happened to Thylor and the numbers he was pulling out of his @SS ?? Did he ever drop that other Mill ??? As I said a few times, it was only a matter of time before he disappeared and got demoted back to the mail room.
Comment by CF105 on Nov 16, 2022 3:03pm
A follow up to the "hill' post...   BT, in the Q3 CC, did update us on the backlog and pipeline numbers. "We are currently sitting at about $26 million in backlog, customers with signed contracts waiting for us to deliver product, and we have got a sales pipeline, near-term sales opportunities in excess of $75 million." A chunk of this backlog would be deliverable ...more  
Comment by uberlious on Nov 16, 2022 3:23pm
During the CC Bill seemed a little upset with the regulators not doing their jobs. They are still working from home. We are sitting on orders until these updated STC's are issued. These are not new STC's but enhancments. EG. We have the A320 but require an update for the Neo version. Anyway, all in all a good quarter.  Uber
Comment by CF105 on Nov 16, 2022 6:26pm
Wonder how this particular delay is affecting the installation of licensed product. 
Comment by RayDonovan78 on Nov 16, 2022 6:56pm
Yes always an excuse. So what was the big announcement Bill was so excited about ??? Was it that they we profitable this quarter ?? what an achievement !! But they are still at a huge loss so far this year !!
Comment by peasinapod on Nov 17, 2022 12:18pm
It is, and will always be about the recurring revenue (SaaS). Licensing and hardware sales are one offs with no guarantee they will translate into SaaS revenue. Hence, the SP never taking off despite the announcement of more sales. The reverse split didn't help either. Actually, that was a disaster. 
Comment by cashworx44 on Nov 17, 2022 6:30pm
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Comment by CF105 on Nov 20, 2022 9:43am
I agree on the SaaS being important, but since this is new (Edge 5G, Edge WQAR) and promising (Tamdar, WVSS-II) hardware, we are entering a time when hardware sales will hopefully dominate.  As these technologies get adopted by, and integrated into, the commercial aviation industry, then SaaS will follow. Flyht has stated that this is still their long-term revenue model. There is quite ...more  
Comment by peasinapod on Nov 20, 2022 10:57am
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