BlackBerry Ltd T.BB

https://www.iam-media.com/in-house-operations/blackberry-pat

[nellybb]

https://www.iam-media.com/in-house-operations/blackberry-patent-sale-now-or-never

[framloeg]

Why would these guys quote what the Globe and Mail mentioned as the possible price? Would it really take multiple entities to finance with debt and equity $450m.......as they were generating $250 m a yr from IP prior to the announcement(have people lost all sense of basic math)?.......They might be trying to embarrass JC with this piece as it reeks. I'm starting to possibly think along the

[theRussian]

Agree that this is extreme high stake. Entire US military and gov agencies need bb tech and patents. NSA uses patents from bb too.  I have a feeling US gov involved in knocking down bb. CIA shell companies and their wallstreet arm/connection all involved through banks and hedge funds. Why else does the media never talk about bb cyber products.  chen is too naive to know the stock

[framloeg]

He knows the stock is manipulated , but he's dealing with a gorilla in very tight quarters. He has fed the gorilla, he has pet the gorilla and even talks to the gorilla but that gorilla still fancies eating his balls. As smart as JC is, he never wet to gorilla taming school.

[Hedgetrimmer]

Figure the approx $450m was an easy calculation, didn't take a lot of investigative journalistic prowess by G & M. One of the patent websites (Greybar?) says the average patent sells for $10G. 90% of patents have little or no value so the value is in what remains. So a 38000 patent portfolio is worth.....38,000 times $10G equals $380USD. Convert to Cdn  and you're in the $450-475m

[dwolfenson]

Hedge, there's a possibility FB is part of a consortium or at least involved as it relates to infringed patents and what would need to be licensed from a buyer. If the sale goes through and happens to be a huge sum, the argument can than easily be made that going after FB was very much worth it, even if there's no specificity with respect to a settlement. With all the nonsense coming from

[Digby8]

Hey KBB:  STFU.

[dwolfenson]

Thanks, Digs. Anyone who thinks the Globe, RBC, TDCanadiantrade and others are pro BlackBerry, much less willing to provide honest commentary, gotsta wait until there's $$$ for them to do so. For the life of me, I don't know how these folks can look themselves in the Mirror... must have the Globe turned off. Must be the same mechanism that makes Prince Andrew think it's okay to make

[theRussian]

I been saying this for a while that BB is manipulated!!! by canadian side.  @Yasch refuses to believe it. He says it's low because lack of growth. 

[WillmaImhome]

Yasch is one person use your brains .

[WillmaImhome]

If BB expended cylance towards ordinary consumers this stock would rocket. quote=WillmaImhome]Yasch is one person use your brains .[/quote]

[framloeg]

Well I believe the issue would be that IAM is quoting these guys and this figure. That might give credence to the 'Russians ' take on situation.

[dwolfenson]

Russian has 365 different takes a year and often stating polar opposite at same time over at ST. He's here to confuse... at the very least, to raise doubt about top brass. He has an understanding of tech and is generally high level, but still a FUDler. He'll one day disappear as abruptly as he showed up. On the other side of FUDler continuum is Joey... very low level and fear based FUDler.

[Joey67]

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[Hedgetrimmer]

There was nothing spectacular about G&M's $450m price tag. However I think they knew or hoped most would take it seriously. I had the same calculation so it wasn't difficult, just had to visit a patent forum and get an average. So yes, their number does not contain anything relevant to the actual value of some big ticket items.  Very poor journalism by their scribes. Aren't

[Hedgetrimmer]

Wolfman..FB sale & settlement combo.one of my favourite scenarios. The silence over both issues is strange and it's easy to form an opinion one way or another. By the way, other than what I can see without hitting read more,  I haven't read KBB in a while and maybe s/he thinks I do but who or what is to too t?   

[framloeg]

Just seems like an extremely low multiple for asset(s) that generate or were generating $250m per yr and possibly would have/should have increased with the FB win in court . Why sell them if you could generate the same amount in 1.5-2yrs. Doesn't make sense but again there are many details missing to analyse properly.

[Joey67]

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[WillmaImhome]

5B? I don't think they will get anywhere near that if it happens .. The buyer needs to make money on them eventually. Ps I'm being civil normally I would say something else if you were dwolf lol

[Hedgetrimmer]

It's an average. Point is that G&M doesn't know more than anyone else, at that time anyways. It was just quick figuring on their part with nothing else to go on. Same boat we're in. If anything the $450m should be a minimum but if there were other bidders as has been mentioned then it should be higher in the world of supply and demand. How high? Only a select people would know

[Joey67]

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