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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Bombardier Inc. T.BBD.A

Alternate Symbol(s):  BDRAF | BOMBF | BDRBF | T.BBD.B | T.BBD.P.B | T.BBD.P.C | T.BBD.P.D | BDRPF | BDRXF

Bombardier Inc. is focused on designing, manufacturing, and servicing business jets. The Company has a fleet of approximately 5,000 aircraft in service with a wide variety of multinational corporations, charter and fractional ownership providers, governments, and private individuals. The Company designs, develops, manufactures and markets two families of business jets (Challenger and Global... see more

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Post by stockitnow on Jun 16, 2023 9:16am

Validation

Looking back, it was smart for Bellemare to get rid of C series.  There have been rumors that Airbus will announce A220-500 but Airbus has said they wont.

Because of the rumors alot of analysts had looked at the a220 program in deep.  Following are summary from various analysis.

A220 takes twice as long to build then 737 Max and Bombardier never pre stuff the fuselage before mating them which added time and cost money/delay.

A220 suppliers have higher margins on parts they make for a220 then a320/1neo due to the contract that Bombardier had signed with them.  Suppliers wanted more as risk from c series was higher.

Margins are low to non existence on a220 line but AB has to continue selling a220 at discount rate as customers will  pay less for a220 then a320.

Profit margin on a320neo is much higher and AB doesn't want to replace a320neo with low margin a220-500.

A220 500 will trigger boeing to come with all new design replacement for 737.  AB doesn't want to trigger this as it will  cause them to revamp a320/1.  Boeing response will be one family of jet which will take on a220 and a320/2 at once.  AB will have to respond as new boeing airplane will have lighter fuselage material and higher bypass engines.

A220 lack of pilot commonality with a320 and parts/maintenance scheduled makes airlines intergeneration expensive.

Bombardier also never had the money to production ramp up the program.
Comment by Guillaume on Jun 16, 2023 9:44am
Bombardier sold his share in csalp because there is still a lot of investment to be made to increase production rate in order to reduce unit cost and at the end make a positive margin. The government will face the same choice soon. Invest more with the hope it will be price competitive after or give up. But, this have nothing to do with bbd shares value. For bbd this adventure is over since ...more  
Comment by flamingogold on Jun 16, 2023 10:21am
If Bellemare were to have made a good decision it would have been to sell the CSeries before they got neck deep into debt and were out of cards to make a play. However, the blame really goes further. I would say he was more just a scapegoat here and that Pierre Beaudoin should take responsibility. Unfortunate as it is but our country just does not support entrepreneurship ie. to become a global ...more  
Comment by flamingogold on Jun 16, 2023 10:42am
The sad truth is that this is not just about a loss to Bombardier but Canada as a whole has lost a chance to become a global leader in commerical aviation and to add insult to injury we lost our world renown decades old transportation industry. We have now become an industry of selling expensive real estate to one another. With increasing rates, wow sustainable is that?
Comment by Truthifest on Jun 16, 2023 11:11am
With Jeff Dahn at Dalhousie, lithium, cobalt and nickel deposits, and cheap hydro power, seems like Canada can become a world leader in lithium ion battery production.
Comment by flyman12 on Jun 16, 2023 3:44pm
The only thing missing in the equation is to dump the liberal party. Get access to export liquefied gas, mining permits and pipelines this century and equipment for our armed forces. 
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