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Dream Office Real Estate Investment Trust T.D.UN

Alternate Symbol(s):  DRETF

Dream Office Real Estate Investment Trust (the Trust) is an open-ended real estate investment trust. The Trust owns central business district office properties in various urban centers across Canada, with a focus on downtown Toronto. The Trust owns and manages 3.5 million square feet of office land in downtown Toronto. Its objectives include managing its business and assets to provide both yield and growth over the longer term. Its properties are located across Adelaide Place, Toronto; 30 Adelaide Street East, Toronto; 438 University Avenue, Toronto; 655 Bay Street, Toronto; 74 Victoria Street/137 Yonge Street, Toronto; 36 Toronto Street, Toronto; 330 Bay Street, Toronto; 20 Toronto Street/33 Victoria Street, Toronto; 250 Dundas Street West, Toronto; 80 Richmond Street West, Toronto; 425 Bloor Street East, Toronto; 212 King Street West, Toronto; 357 Bay Street, Toronto; 360 Bay Street, Toronto; 350 Bay Street, Toronto; 56 Temperance Street, Toronto; and 6 Adelaide Street East, Toronto.


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Comment by Frankie10on Sep 10, 2023 6:12pm
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RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:valuation model

RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:valuation model

the model assumes going concern, therefore the valuation method is adjusted cost base and not liquidation approach. I think you mean to say, my model calculated implied current valuation and you run a proforma to assess downside risk. Nothing wrong with that at all...

The asset values per the financials are actually calculated used discount cash flow basis - there are many REITs that provide discount rate and terminal value. Dream Office provides these - see financials Note 4.

Agreed. I love Allied.

Have a wonderful weekend. We can pick it up tomorrow if you like. Cheers.


MTLfinecity wrote: Hi Frankie,

I appreciate your thoughts.

Let me explain why I made those mistakes. I understand very well why you use stabilized noi for valuation and put what seems to be a reasonable valuation on future density . You are computing liquidation value. And I respect that. However, in my many years of investing experience, this valuation model never gave the valuation below which the stock simply cannot go any lower. The conservative cashflow model I use usually allows me to figure out the lowest valuation on a company. I'm fully aware that objectively banks and private buyers don't use cashflow model. But we are in the public market here. I usually buy when there is a discount to cashflow model. (20%) and a huge discount to liquidation model ( 60+% discounted needed).  At the end of the day, it's all about entry point, your model and my model will give a similar entry point, we just need different margin of safety. 

I need to explain why I say macro and interest rate are important here. I know the 6% ish credit facility expires in 2 years, and the exposure is low at a micro level. However, if 10 year Canadian government bond yield keeps going up,  the cap rate gonna keep going up and that's the real risk. If we get no more further rate hikes, REITs in general gonna start to stabilize soon. 

Many are criticizing the management for the all time low. But the all time low is actually caused by 10 year bond and the pandemic. Who could have predicted that?

We'll see how things evolve from here going forward. Dream office should probably do like allied, sell some assets and make sure that cash needs are very well covered for the next few years. 


Thanks








Frankie10 wrote: You can't explain away error and call it being conservative... you can't just value the assets at to be conservative. they spent money and that investment has value. 

"The real problem for me here is the interest rate and the cap rate."

- debt is fixed and the entity is well capitalized to refinance and sell assets (inv properties and/or DIR)
- implied cap rate is 8.7%.
- i see no issues here
- short-term actual cashflow is an issue (as you have noted) - addressed by using DIR as liquidity (hopefully a single asset sale is done to create a buffer).



 

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