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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Taseko Mines Ltd T.TKO

Alternate Symbol(s):  TGB

Taseko Mines Limited is a Canada-based mining company. The Company is principally engaged in the production and sale of metals, as well as related activities, including mine permitting and development within the province of British Columbia, Canada and the State of Arizona, the United States. The Company’s principal property is the Gibraltar Mine, which is a copper-molybdenum mine that is... see more

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Taseko Mines Ltd > Breakeven price of copper = $3.59
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Post by AlfTanner on Nov 03, 2021 7:02pm

Breakeven price of copper = $3.59

I was disappointed by the earnings.  It looks like they earned US$21.8M on sales of 34.4M pounds of coper.  That is a profit of US$.67 per pound.  With the average price of copper at $4.26, that means the breakeven price of copper for Q3 was $4.26 - $.67 = $3.59

Even with a good quarter, the company needs $3.59 copper just to break even.  That seems pretty high.
Comment by Cognition777 on Nov 03, 2021 8:08pm
Lotsa variables in there, Alf, that others have mentioned. - sold 2M lbs less copper than they produced = +$8.5M (they didn't sell 34M as you stated) - sold 50k lbs less moly than they produced - +$1M - bond interest is semi-annual, so half of this quarter's payment was accrued last quarter = +$9M - net "unrealized" loss on foreign exchange = +$2.7M those adjustments would have ...more  
Comment by Cognition777 on Nov 03, 2021 8:17pm
wait... what am I thinking... 32.4M lbs was on 100% basis... Taseko sales 23.4M lbs... DOH! that would calculate $43M profit / 23.4M lbs sold = $1.84 profit per pound. Break even by your method would be $4.26 - $1.84 = $2.42
Comment by JCSunsfan on Nov 03, 2021 8:19pm
This is exactly correct.  That unsold copper is sitting in inventory and will turn into cash likely in the next quarter.  It might be smart to sit on some inventory as the market rises.  Accountants will always use those loss carry forwards for tax purposes.  It produces more of a loss on paper but keeps cash in the bank. I believe they have spend $30 million or so thus far on ...more  
Comment by firecracker74 on Nov 03, 2021 8:39pm
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Comment by AlfTanner on Nov 03, 2021 10:32pm
firecracker, I am just going by what the company reported.  I understand the tax expense is a "one time" charge, but these small mining companies ALWAYS seem to come up with some kind of "one time" charge almost every quarter.  I am really getting tired of earnings that do not meet expectation because of some unusual write off.  A certain zinc miner is famous for ...more  
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