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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum WESTERN POTASH CORP T.WPX

"Western Potash Corp is engaged in the acquisition, evaluation, and exploration of mineral properties containing potash in Western Canada. The Company holds interests in the Milestone Project located in Southern Saskatchewan."

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Post by Cacheitup on Jun 04, 2013 8:06pm

Smartinvest

.... think about this logically. Your basically saying that all these analysts are wrong and you are right.
 
I have been saying the exact same thing for the last 6 months about western as these analysts.
 
Now I'm not saying I am smarter than you, far from it actually, but I am saying that perhaps I am looking at the situation less emotionally. 
Are you sure that you haven't "fallen in love" with the idea of Wpx.
It has happened to me before on certain companies, and I was blind to any faults they had.
 
I can't see how you can say all 3 of the analysts I have quoted below are wrong.
 
He adds the investment covers roughly 1% of the total capital requirement for Milestone, noting “a cavernous financing gap still needs to be addressed.” Hanson has reiterated a market perform rating and 75¢ target price.
 
BMO Nesbitt Burns analyst Joel Jackson told clients that despite the new found cash, he believes the probability of Western building the project remains low, suggesting the investment was largely “politically motivated.”
 
“It’s a nice check box for certain Chinese bodies to indicate there is an investment in a Canadian potash project even if that investment is essentially meaningless when it comes to actually building the mine,” he explains in an email.  
 
Jackson assumes the project would cost over $4 billion to construct and would come on-stream in 2018, two years later than expected.
 
“In the end, WPX is $32 million closer to a likely $4-billion plus price tag, which is not much closer,” he writes.
 
Echoing financial concerns for Western, Salman Partners analyst Andrea Rubakovic says she continues to prefer Karnalyte out of the Saskatchewan potash juniors because of Wynyard’s “relatively low” start-up cost of $600 million.
 
“We continue to believe that in the current financing environment only the best quality potash assets, of those with a unique appeal to strategic investors, have the potential of being financed through to production,” she writes. Rubakovic has a 40¢ target and recommends a sell on Western.
 
 
Comment by Runningman0715 on Jun 04, 2013 8:22pm
You may be right but, as we all know, analysts often have their own agenda and are going to frame things however they want, so suit their own needs. Not saying this is the case but definitely something to think about.
Comment by jonathanRdeC on Jun 04, 2013 8:50pm
I can believe what i'm reading.   China Blue is a company that has been looking to get in potash for a number of years. It's easy to find that these guys have been looking to make offers, not only to wpx, but other big players like potash corp.  Look, they where looking to beat BHP at buying POT for BILLIONS. So they have been serious in looking for acquisition for  a number ...more  
Comment by Cacheitup on Jun 04, 2013 9:44pm
  Jonathan, don't let hope/love of Wpx cloud your good judgement.   The Chinese have planned this perfectly. They have the perfect way out. Win win for them.   From the Altacorp report.   "Management also confirmed that the off-take agreement will be at market price. There is an out-clause where either party can dissolve the JV agreement should WPX fail to secure the ...more  
Comment by stockwrestler on Jun 04, 2013 9:49pm
wide variety of targets here from analysts. imo, we wait for a bigger investment to get a spike up over 70c again. ITMT, we may have a slow hot summer here... cheers all  
Comment by jonathanRdeC on Jun 04, 2013 10:54pm
You are right that there is an out clause. But with 30% of production sold for 20 years...   What I don't believe is that  a state owned chinese firm would lock in a 8 to 10 billions in contract with a company they are not sure that they are going to secure. The chinese are buying to bypass Canpotex but signed a 10 billions contract that could play against them ? Imagine POT, or ...more  
Comment by Cacheitup on Jun 04, 2013 11:29pm
Jonathan, respectfully, you are kidding yourself . This bit is crucial. The Chinese are not locked in at all. They formed a separate company solely for this purpose. It is CBCHC that is on the line for any deal and not China Blue or Benewood holding. Wpx is mentioning China Blue and Benewood so that it shines the best light on the deal. But make no mistake, the deal is ONLY between Wpx And CBCHC ...more  
Comment by zeus55 on Jun 04, 2013 11:58pm
Yes, be serious, not stupid. The Chinese bought an option on WPX's property. Nothing more, nothing less. The money they spent on this deal is peanuts, and means little. The guy who used to pump this stock lives right beside it, and he hasn't said one word about it for over a year. Nuff said.
Comment by smartinvest78 on Jun 05, 2013 12:01pm
Actually, I am falling in love with China Blue and CNOOC. I did business with some China's state-owned companiess before for many years and I know they are serious once they make a decision to do something. Money is not an issue for them.  They built a high speed railway only in a couple years spending huge amount of money. We may never see this high  ...more  
Comment by Cacheitup on Jun 05, 2013 12:33pm
It wasn't "someone" on this board that said the deal was politically, It was the BMO analyst that said they heard it from their sources. There is a huge amount of additional supply comi g to the market in the next few years from brownfield and greenfield projects. This is a long dated option that they can fall back on if necessary, and it cost them a pittance. its a win win for them. ...more  
Comment by calgarytran on Jun 05, 2013 12:54pm
China needs food(potash) and energy securities.  China has plenty of money.
Comment by smartinvest78 on Jun 05, 2013 1:18pm
Use your logic before you speak out. If chinese want to buy WPX at $0.25, why did they give WPX $32m to revitalize them by paying $0.71/per share, which is much higher than $0.4ish where WPX share price stayed there for a long time? Chinese are not stupid. They know WPX cash is low and can not last for another quarter and they also know it is a very hard time for WPX to ...more  
Comment by SR64 on Jun 05, 2013 1:49pm
There is no way a basher/shorter can give an intelligent asnwer to this one.   Good call !
Comment by calgarytran on Jun 05, 2013 1:52pm
It is calculated move by China.  Ultimately they want WPX all for themselves; similar to Nexen.  It is just not the appropriate time to act.  See what happened after CNOOC buyout Nexen.  China wants the potash; not to trade for profit.  China is flushed with money.  Money is never an issue here.
Comment by smartinvest78 on Jun 05, 2013 3:10pm
My guess is that China will provide fund to build WPX milestone mine, and as an exchange, WPX will give up approx. 60% of company control right to China. Somebody may ask why chinese not to take over the whole WPX? Two reasons: 1) Chinese doesn't want to give canadians an impression that they are just coming here to exploit canadians' resources and not benefit them. 2) They ...more  
Comment by Majormac79 on Jun 05, 2013 3:12pm
I think a complete purchase of the milestone project is coming. 
Comment by nopoo on Jun 05, 2013 5:34pm
A buyout? Really? Tell us who will put up $3 billion to get just half of production? They just limited the buyers pool to one. With no competition it will be sold at firesale prices.   ttfn nopoo
Comment by more2come on Jun 05, 2013 6:53pm
"Management also confirmed that the off-take agreement will be at market price. There is an out-clause where either party can dissolve the JV agreement should WPX fail to secure the necessary financing within two years."    
Comment by calgarytran on Jun 05, 2013 7:19pm
It is in China Blue's best interest for the mine to be operational within two years.
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