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Incredibly tied to a lot of the big issues going on. Lots of exposure to office throughout Canada, especially to The Well in Toronto. Return-to-office has been slower to pick up. REITs tend to really suffer with higher interest rates. The worst might be priced in, could be time to sharpen your pencil and take a look. Good operator, great assets. If you feel that interest rates have peaked, fear around office is waning, will benefit as those sentiments start to reverse. He's not an expert in the payout ratio for REITs and whether dividend can be maintained.