Join today and have your say! It’s FREE!

Become a member today, It's free!

We will not release or resell your information to third parties without your permission.
Please Try Again
{{ error }}
By providing my email, I consent to receiving investment related electronic messages from Stockhouse.

or

Sign In

Please Try Again
{{ error }}
Password Hint : {{passwordHint}}
Forgot Password?

or

Please Try Again {{ error }}

Send my password

SUCCESS
An email was sent with password retrieval instructions. Please go to the link in the email message to retrieve your password.

Become a member today, It's free!

We will not release or resell your information to third parties without your permission.
Quote  |  Bullboard  |  News  |  Opinion  |  Profile  |  Peers  |  Filings  |  Financials  |  Options  |  Price History  |  Ratios  |  Ownership  |  Insiders  |  Valuation

Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum H&R Real Estate Investment Trust T.HR.UN

Alternate Symbol(s):  HRUFF

H&R Real Estate Investment Trust is a Canada-based real estate investment trust. The Company owns, operates and develops residential and commercial properties across Canada and in the United States. The Company operates through the four segments: Residential, Industrial, Office and Retail. The Residential segment consists of approximately 24 residential properties in select markets in the... see more

TSX:HR.UN - Post Discussion

H&R Real Estate Investment Trust > The inverted yield curve
View:
Post by Torontojay on Aug 15, 2023 7:49pm

The inverted yield curve

I'm simply amazed that few people on Stockhouse talk about this. They are ignoring one of the most powerful tools in forecasting a recession and it has a perfect track record. 


Ok let's suppose for a sec that this time is different.  The only way I see US/Canada avoid a recession if it hasn't started already is if the long end of the bond curve yield pushes above the front end. This would steepen the yield curve and normalize things so to speak. There are 4 cases to consider and I'll talk about each one. 

Case 1: long term expected inflation moves in the 4-5% range and the Fed/BoC reject the 2% inflation idea. If they decide they are content with core inflation at current levels then the yield curve would steepen and would no longer be inverted. The problem with this thesis is that they are adamant about getting inflation back to the 2% range. This is not consistent with the targets laid out by both Tiff Macklem and Jerome Powell. 


case 2: long term real output/productivity increases substantially over the coming years/decade and 10 year treasuries sell off and yields rise above the Fed funds. I suppose this is possible but I'm not buying this argument. Btw, the 10 year treasury would have to settle in the 6-7% range to be consistent with a "normal" yield curve.I don't think that's happening. 

case 3: inflation collapses in the short term and 2 year treasuries rally which takes the yield below the 10 year treasuries. Or, 


case 4: real output/gdp collapses and 2 year treasuries rally which takes the 2 year note below the 10 year note. It is worth noting that both case 3 and 4 is consistent with a recession whereas case 1 and 2 is not. 


It is my opinion that either a combination of case 3/4 will play out which is consistent with an impending recession on the horizon. I'm certainly not buying the AI argument to save the day and I believe the recession fate is all but sealed. 

That's it for now.

Comment by SNAKEYBOY on Aug 15, 2023 8:46pm
Yeah we've been waiting for this recession for a year.  When does it come.  Stupid yields keep rising
Comment by Torontojay on Aug 15, 2023 9:07pm
Hi Snakeboy, I wrote a post in the beginning of the year in which I highlight the recession to start in Q3. There are a few changes with that timeline since the unemployment rate troughed in April at 3.4% instead of a previous 3.5% at the time of writing. History tells us the recession occurs with a lead time of 7 months which is the mean lead time of recession starts after trough unemployment ...more  
Comment by Torontojay on Aug 15, 2023 9:14pm
A previous post from February for the curious reader.  https://stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/t.tva.b/tva-group-inc?threadid=35278908
Comment by SNAKEYBOY on Aug 15, 2023 9:21pm
Why all this fancy stuff,recession is just consecutive quarters of negative GDP, then they revise it months later anyway. its all nonsense.  its all about the rates as far as my investments and cash flow are concerned
The Market Update
{{currentVideo.title}} {{currentVideo.relativeTime}}
< Previous bulletin
Next bulletin >

At the Bell logo
A daily snapshot of everything
from market open to close.

{{currentVideo.companyName}}
{{currentVideo.intervieweeName}}{{currentVideo.intervieweeTitle}}
< Previous
Next >
Dealroom for high-potential pre-IPO opportunities