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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Thermal Energy International Inc V.TMG

Alternate Symbol(s):  TMGEF

Thermal Energy International Inc. is a Canadian clean technology company. The Company provides energy efficiency and emissions reduction solutions to the Fortune 500 and other multinational companies. The Company operates primarily in North America and Europe but also sells its products and services through representative agents throughout the rest of the world. The Company markets, sells... see more

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Post by canwes on Apr 29, 2022 5:34pm

Q3

Quarterly results reflect continued pandemic impact. But record Custom Equipment orders and revenue and record Turn-key Project development indicate strong, growing demand from customers

V.TMG 

(TheNewswire)

Thermal Energy International Inc.

OTTAWA, ONTARIO – TheNewswire - April 29, 2022 – Thermal Energy International Inc. (“Thermal Energy or the “Company”) (TSXV:TMG)(OTC:TMGEF), an innovative cleantech company and global provider of proprietary energy and carbon emissions reduction solutions to some of the world’s largest corporations, has announced its financial results for the third quarter ended February 28, 2022. All figures are in Canadian dollars.

Quarter-End Highlights:

  • Revenue: $3.5 million for the quarter and $11.4 million for the year-to-date period.

    • YTD Custom Equipment revenue is 12% ahead of last year and 23% more than the pre-pandemic levels the year before

    • YTD Turn-key Project revenue is 18% below last year and 67% below the pre-pandemic levels the year before

  • EBITDAi$(647) thousand for the quarter

  • Net loss of $(894) thousand for the quarter

  • Cash and working capital balances is at $2.3 million and $1.5 million respectively

  • Order backlogii $5.6 million

    • Custom Equipment backlog is $3.2 million, 78% ahead of this time last year and 207% more than the year before

    • Turn-key Project backlog is $2.3 million, 45% less than a year ago and unchanged from the year before

  • Custom Equipmentiii YTD order intake is 11% ahead of last year, and 39% greater than the pre-Covid levels the year before.

  • Turn-key Project development: At record levels and double the pre-pandemic high achieved in fiscal 2019.

Overview

These disappointing quarterly results reflect the continued ongoing disruptions caused by the global pandemic. Over the last two years we have made conscious strategic decisions to keep investing in the capabilities and future growth of the Company. We did this because we believe, emerging from the pandemic there will be an unprecedented market opportunity for growth, and we want to make sure we are in as strong a position as possible to capitalize on this opportunity. But clearly, the COVID-19 pandemic is presenting longer-lasting and much more nuanced impacts than anticipated. For much of the last two years, our customers and suppliers have endured reduced workforces, restricted travel and site access, and growing supply chain issues. Given this, many of our customers, often working with ‘skeleton staff’, have been focusing on continued operations rather than new projects, growth, or development. While our Custom Equipment revenue has continued to grow, these pandemic related issues have resulted in delayed and protracted Turn-key Project development and delivery, and this is having a significant impact on our recent revenue and results. In addition, recent labour and material shortages and inflation are also having a negative impact on our costs and margins. While we have already begun implementing price increases to reflect this new reality, this will take some time to filter through” said Thermal Energy CEO, William Crossland.

“Nonetheless, despite the recent results, we believe the Company’s capabilities, and the market fundamentals, are aligning for an even more significant opportunity than originally anticipated. Given our customers’ increasing carbon emission targets and sky-rocketing energy costs we are seeing unprecedented customer interest and engagement. Custom Equipment order intake and revenue, continue to set records and are already significantly higher than pre-pandemic levels. While Turn-key Project revenue has not yet caught up, we currently have 17 Turn-key Projects in paid development. While not all of these projects may come to fruition, this level of project development is more than double the Company’s pre-pandemic high. Consequently, we maintain confidence in the viability of our solutions to answer the market needs and remain encouraged by the current market opportunities. We believe that we can deliver the growing sales pipeline and capitalize on the current favourable market conditions.” said Thermal Energy CEO, William Crossland.

Custom Equipment vs. Turn-Key Projects

Thermal Energy sells its energy efficiency and carbon reduction solutions as either a customized piece of equipment or a fully installed turn-key project. Pre-pandemic, Turn-key Projects represented about two thirds of revenue with Custom Equipment (primarily GEM and Heatsponge) one third. But more recently, with strong growth in Custom Equipment, Custom Equipment revenue has exceeded Turn-key Projects.

While Custom Equipment projects must still be engineered and installed at the jobsite, these equipment only sales are much less complex and much less expensive than our Turn-key Projects. Given the human resource and capital commitment required from the customer, not to mention the detailed engineering, regular site visits and ultimate turn-key installation, our Turn-key Project business tends to have a much longer development, sale, and revenue cycle. The fact that we have been experiencing significant growth in Custom Equipment demonstrates strong demand in post-pandemic markets for thermal energy efficiency solutions and as would be expected is happening first in lower cost and easier to manage Custom Equipment segment. As our large corporate clients begin to return to pre-pandemic business cycles we anticipate Turn-key Projects will rapidly follow.

Custom Equipment


Custom Equipment order intake and revenue continue to be at record levels, approximately 39% and 23% respectively ahead of pre-pandemic levels.

The performance of our Custom Equipment business is extremely positive despite some challenges. Global supply chains have witnessed notable disruption. We have experienced difficulties and extraordinary delays sourcing some key materials and parts which has led to the delay in shipping a significant number of Custom Equipment units. Our work in progress and order backlog over the last two quarters is the highest it has ever been and has therefore temporarily impacted revenue recognition for our Custom Equipment segment.

The supply chain disruption goes beyond raw materials, extending to labour shortages due to sickness and quarantining requirements as well as general employment levels. The ‘Great Resignation’ has sent shockwaves through the labour market affecting the supply chain. These problems are significant, and they are global. To protect and strengthen our supply chain, we are developing alternative and secondary suppliers in line with our quality systems, and fully utilising our U.S. based facility to increase bulk purchases and increased stock holdings to better respond to supply issues.

Despite these challenges, record order and revenue levels for Custom Equipment are consistently being achieved.

Turn-key Solutions


Turn-key Project development is at record levels.

In parallel to Custom Equipment, Thermal Energy also develops and delivers unique and innovative turn-key carbon emissions reduction and sustainable thermal energy solutions for its customers. These Turn-key Projectsi are developed in partnership with the customer often with the implementation of a paid Project Development Agreement (“PDA’).

In the Last Twelve Months (LTM) ended February 28, 2022, Thermal Energy received 10 new PDA orders and currently has 17 Turn-key Projects in paid development with customers. Both of these figures are at least twice the Company’s pre-pandemic highs and easily the highest level of Turn-key Project development in its history.

A paid PDA is the customer’s commitment to a project whereby, based on an initial estimate of project cost and savings, the customer agrees to front the cost of further project development engineering before a final decision is made to execute the project.

Turn-key Projects already in progress during the pandemic have taken longer to complete and for revenue to be realized, mainly due to travel and site access restrictions, and covid isolation and sickness of our customers’ staff. Suppliers on these projects are often highly integrated into the project delivery and they have faced similar problems with staffing as well as with the manufacture and supply of essential equipment. In summary, regular holdups have created an inefficient staccato delivery and a ‘long tail’ on our Turn-key Project delivery that we did not anticipate after restrictions eased.

While the easing of COVID restrictions allowed for some normalcy, we did not envision that our large multinational clients and key suppliers would continue operating on skeleton staffing, and prioritising essential operations due to the limited workforce, for as long as they did. Challenges accessing the whole project team at once, even when restrictions eased, has meant a reduction in normal progression. Our teams have faced challenges progressing the development of projects in our pipeline. Throughout our development pipeline, momentum of communications with key people and ability to gain the necessary site access has meant project development and closure has slowed whilst our teams wait for travel restrictions and isolation periods to end as they manage protracted sales cycles. Highly qualified pipeline projects with well recognised financial benefits have also in some cases been affected simply by a delay in natural budgetary cycles.

“The record PDA levels can be seen as a positive indication of future Turn-key Project order intake levels. Other areas of the Turn-key Project pipeline however have been impacted since the onset of the pandemic and this is reflected in the financial results. Although the disruptions are expected to continue in the short term, the reasons for disruptions are known, understood and are being managed, and we believe order intake will bounce back due to the continued viability of our solutions to quickly and dependably achieve customers carbon reduction targets and significantly impact their ability to manage volatile energy prices.” said Thermal Energy CEO, William Crossland.

Positive Market Fundamentals


It’s clear that the disruption of covid has lasted longer than anyone expected and longer than simply the government-imposed lockdowns and restrictions. Although we cannot predict how long our customers and suppliers will have to manage these staffing and operations challenges, the requirement to reach net-zero and reduce carbon emissions persists and is influenced further by the extremely volatile and increasing energy prices.

As reported in the last quarter, North American and EU natural gas prices have significantly increased (between 100% and 500%) in the last 12 to 24 months. There has also been rising demand for carbon allowances under the EU’s cap-and-trade system.EU Carbon Permits reached an all-time high of more than 90 EUR in February 2022, and continue to trade in the 80 – 90 EUR range, 100% to 300% higher than they were 12 to 24 months ago. Meanwhile Canadian Carbon Taxes are now $50/t and are expected to reach $170/t by 2030.

As our customers seek to establish a ‘new normal’, they also reconsider and refocus their priorities. In the face of staffing crises, operational restrictions, increasing energy prices and emissions targets, any move to cut operational costs is more advantageous than it has ever been. Since Thermal Energy provide an immediate and easy route for multinational manufacturers to achieve the required savings, these factors only increase the economic attractiveness and short-term paybacks to our customers.

“The mounting pressure on our customers is multifaceted, to respond to consumer and Government pressures to reduce emissions, whilst achieving operational effectiveness amid energy cost increases and workforce disruptions. This refocusing of priorities benefits Thermal Energy since longer paybacks are being considered, allowing previously considered pipeline opportunities to be revisited,” said William Crossland.

With approximately 50% of industrial thermal energy lost on site due to inefficiency, energy efficiency is the fastest, cheapest, and most significant way to reduce carbon emissions, and the market opportunity for Thermal Energy is significant and growing.

Summary Financial Results

In thousand except % data

Three months ended

Feb 28, 2022

Three months ended

Feb 28, 2021

Nine months ended

Feb 28, 2022

Nine months ended

Feb 28, 2021

Revenue

$3,491

$3,736

$11,447

$11,584

Gross profit

$1,469

$1,644

$4,825

$5,399

Gross margin

42%

44%

42%

47%

Operating expenses

$2,277

$1,621

$6,269

$4,849

Net loss

$(894)

$(34)

$(1,689)

$329

EBITDAi

$(648)

$172

$(962)

$975

Cash position

$2,294

$4,455

$2,294

$4,455

Working Capital

$1,492

$4,203

$1,492

$4,203

Orders received

$1,831

$3,993

$8,228

$13,389

Order backlogii as of February 28

$5,600

$6,100

$5,600

$6,100

Third Quarter and Year-to-Date Financial Review

Quarterly revenue was $3.5 million, down 6.5% from last year. The decrease is due to the decrease of revenues from Turn-key heat recovery projects. Gross profit for the quarter was $1.5 million which was decreased due to COVID-19 related quarantine requirements, labour shortages and raw material price increases. This resulted in a gross margin of 42%, compared to 44% for the same quarter prior year. The company has already implemented a number of measures to mitigate these issues, including price increases. Operating expenses incurred for the third quarter amounted to $2.3 million which was increased mainly due to the reduction in covid related government wage subsidies of $247 thousand, acquisition costs of the technology from Sofame Technologies Inc. of $82 thousand and an increase in other operating expenses of $329 thousand because of lifting temporary COVID-19 related cost control measures, increase in labour cost, and investment in the growth of the European team. A net loss of $894 thousand was incurred for the third quarter and EBITDA was $(648) thousand.

For the nine months ended February 28, 2022, revenue was $11.5 million, down 1.2% from last year mainly due to the increased revenue from indirect contact heat recovery systems offset by the decrease of revenues from turn-key heat recovery solutions. Gross profit for the first nine months was $4.8 million decreased mainly due to COVID-19 related quarantine and isolation requirements, labour shortages and raw material price increases. This resulted in a gross margin of 42%, compared to 47% for the same period prior year. Operating expenses incurred for the first three quarters amounted to $6.3 million which was increased mainly due to a reduction in government wage subsidies of $680 thousand, an increase in acquisition cost of the technology from Sofame Technologies Inc. of $174 thousand and increases in other operating expenses of $1,065 thousand because of lifting temporary cost control measures, investment in the growth of European sales team, increased travel and business development costs, and increases to staff salary in order to catch up with the significantly increased annual inflation rate and to ensure we remain competitive and are able to effectively execute the projects in our pipeline and capitalize on the current market. These cost increases were offset by the increase in foreign exchange gains of $498 thousand compared to the same period prior year. A net loss of $1,689 thousand was incurred for the first three quarters, and EBITDA was $(962) thousand.

The Company’s cash position was $2.3 million as at February 28, 2022, compared to $4.2 million as at May 31, 2021. The decrease was due to cash used in operating activities of $802 thousand, investing activities of $350 thousand (primarily the acquisition of the Sofame assets) and financing activities of $811 thousand (repayment of long-term debt and lease obligations).

Working capital decreased by $2.3 million to $1.5 million on February 28, 2022, compared to $3.8 million on May 31, 2021. The decrease in working capital was mainly due to the decrease in cash and cash equivalents, the increase in trade payables and other liabilities, offset by the increase in inventory.

Order Intake and Order Backlog Summary

Orders received during this fiscal year-to-date are 39% lower than orders received during the same time last year. However, orders for Custom Equipment, primarily GEM and Heatsponge, are 11% ahead of the same time last year, and 39% greater than the pre-Covid levels the year before. The Company ended the quarter with a total order backlog of $5.6 million, down 9% from the $6.1 million at the same time last year, and with the Custom Equipment order backlog 78% higher than the same time last year. Company defines its order backlog as the value of projects for which purchase orders have been received, but that have not yet been fully reflected as revenue in the Company’s published financial statements.

Full financial results including Management’s Discussion and Analysis and accompanying notes to the financial results are available on www.SEDAR.com and www.thermalenergy.com/financial-reports.html.

Comment by Mostlyserious on Apr 30, 2022 5:13am
Looking forward to the time the world gets to some new normal and things start progressing. Then we should see a 100%+ sales growth in one of the earlier years, if they are able to capitalize on the market potential they portray. What we are seeing now unfortunately shows that their client base was not large enough. So, regardless of what they have in the bid proposal pipeline, they will have to ...more  
Comment by panapple42 on Apr 30, 2022 5:33pm
Agreed. And, the sales person for the dry rex should be removed.  They have failed. https://www.thermalenergy.com/dry-rex-biomass-dryer.html
Comment by Mostlyserious on Apr 30, 2022 8:11pm
They had one?
Comment by Finegan on May 01, 2022 8:20am
Mostlyserious, thermal never sold a Dry-Rex.  The only existing dry-rex was built before Thermal bought the product.  Bad acquisition.
Comment by Mostlyserious on May 01, 2022 4:03pm
Bad acquisition or lack of ability or proper effort to sell it? Why is it showing on the suite of products? In case someone runs across it on the website and calls? How about that co-gen stuff? It would also be nice to know if those PDA's are for traditional heat recovery or some more innovative application that can open new markets.
Comment by panapple42 on Apr 30, 2022 5:35pm
Nice to see you back.
Comment by Nothingmatters on May 02, 2022 3:45am
Lol pumper is back in a new avatar...bankrupt by December bi****
Comment by panapple42 on Apr 30, 2022 5:34pm
I hope the kitchen sink is gone now.
Comment by AlbertESG on May 01, 2022 6:32pm
We now know why Bill had to pull the Friday after the close thing. We also now know why he dropped the "getting the story out" mission in favour of full on "radio silence". These results are exceptionally terrible considering that they made 500 thousand off of foreign exchange translation in the quarter. Without that FX gain, they would have lost 1.4 million... In one quarter!  ...more  
Comment by Finegan on May 02, 2022 9:28am
Albert.  Thank you for contributing to this board.  You have raised a very important point.  The timeline of one year to convert a paid study to a contract is unacceptable and the company has done little or nothing to improve this situation over the years.  Clients need to be contacted and their cooperation emphasized to reduce this timeline to 6 months.  In this ...more  
Comment by Mostlyserious on May 02, 2022 11:15am
TEI has no negotiating power with clients to force earlier decisions. That lack of negotiating power has to be mitigated with a much more active product pipeline so that during slower times, due to sheer numbers, something is still coming in on a regular basis. To Albert's point, he is saying that the average year of wait should be up, and over the next few weeks or a month or two, we should ...more  
Comment by Finegan on May 02, 2022 11:26am
Thank you for your input Mostlyserious.  I believe that Thermal does have some negotiating leverage with the client.  Both Thermal and the client can endeavour to complete the study within the 6 month period and this could be written into the study agreement.  As to the contract approval itself, yes only the client can decide the timeline. I agree that a much more active project ...more  
Comment by Mostlyserious on May 02, 2022 11:45am
I agree with you that they could be done faster, if a few hundred $K savings per year was that significant to multi-billion $ companies. They are probably "nice" but not significant enough to detract from more pressing issues or bigger decisions. They seem to go "plant by plant" for corporate accounts. It would be nice to negotiate for a few, get them done, then next few and so ...more  
Comment by Finegan on May 02, 2022 12:35pm
Good comments Mostlyserious.  Let's remember however that most multinational companies have carbon targets/commitments which are financially motivated.  Potential savings are more than a few hundred thousand dollars based on a estimated 18 month payback.  Accross many plants the savings for multinationals are in the millions annually, direct to the bottom line.  With the ...more  
Comment by canwes on May 02, 2022 1:05pm
Fin, call Tim.....see if's he is ready, willing and able to have 'do over'.
Comment by Finegan on May 02, 2022 1:27pm
LOL good one Canwes, but I'd rather not dig up relicks from the past.  After 28 years in this stock, I believe in moving forward but at a much faster rate.  We need a bit of Tim, a bit of Bill and no Thomas. Cheers 
Comment by prone on May 02, 2022 1:51pm
Well they all helped within their limitations. Thomas had the enthusiam of an owner, but needed help with contracts & projects - then ..... Tim showed how a Sales oriented guy could cover ground faster - then ..... Along comes Bill who got the operations positive - then ..... Now we have Vince growing BEI products sales as an owner. We have Luc ? hopefully capable of growing Sofame product ...more  
Comment by Mostlyserious on May 02, 2022 2:23pm
Without a VP of Sales in charge of all the sales and marketing components, the CEO takes all the credit. Didn't have much of a sales resume when he took over, doesn't seem to have much of a sales resume after more than a decade. I wonder how many employees TEI has today. The revenues this year are not too far from 2012ish, which did not have BEI. Lower productivity for sure while it sounds ...more  
Comment by Finegan on May 02, 2022 2:30pm
Mostlyserious, I agree whole heartedly with your comments.  New BOD is needed.  Let's go, do it!!!
Comment by canwes on May 02, 2022 3:50pm
We (bagholders) don't have the numbers to effect change. The board has to realize who is and who isn't contributing to the success of this company.  The under performers should willingly step aside and make way for some real movers and shakers. People that can make a real difference. 
Comment by Finegan on May 02, 2022 3:56pm
Yes Canwes, but perhaps if a new Chairman were appointed he/she could then encourage some Board Members to leave including the former Chairman currently warming a Director seat.  The underperformers have not in the past just stepped asside, some have been there seems like forever.  
Comment by AlbertESG on May 02, 2022 6:59pm
The company's shareholders are almost entirely small shareholders, so we do have the power to force changes. Just look at the last AGM, we were half way to getting a new board. People were getting pretty disgruntled. And now we're 40% lower. The problem is that we're not a Microsoft or an IBM. There's no elite pool of talent we can recruit from. We're a perennially under ...more  
Comment by Mostlyserious on May 02, 2022 7:25pm
I respectfully disagree. I think there are a lot of folks that are motivated to make a difference. The compensation for directors including options is pretty good for how small they are. As the company grows, that can grow as well. We have an old board, most of who unlikely want to push themselves hard. Mr White is a newly appointed Chairman. The two directors from 2000s have nothing new to offer. ...more  
Comment by Mostlyserious on May 02, 2022 10:14pm
And maybe a final point on Q3, the characterization of strong demand and growth is getting old and concerns me that they really think it is good enough. Tens of percent growth on a low baseline is not that impressive. And 12% growth in custom equipment over last year is nothing. Especially when they talk about energy prices or related elements growing between 100% and 500%. We should see much ...more  
Comment by Finegan on May 03, 2022 8:03am
Mostlyserious.  I wish I could give you 5 stars but the best I could do is a thumbs up.
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